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well the way i see it , it was many soldiers who went to the mojave desert and set up that cross. Why is it now such a big deal to people that it must be taken down,its a symbol like many other things and the US was built on a Christian based governmental system last time i checker "under God" is still there i say let it stand all the people out there have to stop picking at anythign or everything they dont like it seems now and days if someone doesnt like something or someone they take it to court people need to learn to be able to accept things instead of fighting anything they dont like. I say let the cross stay!



The US was not originally based on christianity, here is article 11 of the treaty of tripoli.

   Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
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you know, the barbarians were raiding a few American ships then demanding ransom money just because they were not at "peace" or bribed to not attack them, they were at "war" with anyone that hadn't appeased them, and the kings of the barbars were demanding increased bribes, including us handing them American built ships to be used in piracy to keep their privateers on a leash.

the Tripoli-an leader heard of the all that was going on and said "hey, I want a piece of that cash" and decided to capture a American ship, plundered and robbed it, while saying it was a "accident" but demanded payments for the "accident" or would declare war on American naval vessels.

The Jefferson Administration was loosing patience of the Tripoli-an leader's arrogance and decided to send a small military force as a reactionary force, a couple of frigates and a schooner. But at the same time, the Tripoli-ans declared war upon the U.S.

the small naval force was ordered to block off ports, and capture any hostile ships. and soon made it an option for the Tripoli-an leader to surrender or negotiate peace. The small war ended with Tripoli coming to the negotiation table.

while you are right in some ways, we weren't founded upon Christianity, but we chose our foundation upon freedom for the people, and those principles came from Christianity, no matter what sect. of Christianity it came from, from being based on John Locke's philosophy over God-given rights. to our nation back then being more good-heated than we are today.

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well it took you a couple of days to do your homework didn't it. and do you honestly believe that it's just the christians that believe in that?
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well if you define "christian" as the multiple christian religions, any Jewish people around the colonies back then. well, then yeah since there wasn't many Asians living in Europe that were able to travel to America. and that pretty much every single European was christian, no matter what sect they were.

I'd believe around the Adams administration, nothing much had changed.

you'd have the Quakers, Catholics, Lutherans, protestants, Orthodox, baptist, Mormons, Puritans, and so on.


by the way, I just summed that up within an hour.

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To say that America was only inhabited by christian sects is just plain stupid and the chance of that is very low.
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To say that America was only inhabited by christian sects is just plain stupid



Indeed it wasn't, however, Christian sects were around the 85-90% ratings in the population.

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and the chance of that is very low.



Historical facts do not lie.
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still that leaves plenty of room for other religions such as atheism and judaism
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but not enough room to make our country founded apon their principles, which is the lynchpin in this argument.
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around that time the word "atheistism" didn't really exist then.

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probably because "atheistism" isn't a word
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